Dec 9, 2008
I have recently been under the spell of an unreliable notebook, and it's put the brakes on productivity, big time. Unfortunately, with top-of-the-line gear, you can't just rush out and grab a new one when things go wrong - you have to go through the proper support procedures, which takes time.Sorry, this post has nothing to do with SEO, but I'm working on a little gem so do come back soon.
My old notebook, a Hewlett Packard HDX9108TX 20" notebook has been replaced with a HDX18-1013TX - the massive 20" models have been phased out in favour of smaller 16" and 18" units.
I'm in a unique position to be able to comment on both, so I thought I would share my thoughts.
Other reviews
It's worth noting that I read extensive reviews on both notebooks - and pretty much all of them missed the mark. Reviewers get sidetracked by flashing lights and impressive specs, but miss those everyday finer touches that make or destroy the experience.The 20" Beast
Let's talk about the 20" monster. The HDX series is all about 'entertainment' - the big screen, big sound, and vast array of plugs that connect it to pretty much anything. I loved the double-hinged screen, the 5.1 output jacks, the dual hard drives, and the fairly decent graphics card. Overall though, I felt there were too many annoyances that should not have been there, and have largely been fixed in the newer model.The 18" little sister
A bit smaller, a lot more portable, a bit more user-friendly about sums up this model. It lacks the impact of the big beast, but is better in basically every other aspect.The Screen
The 20" model has a double hinged screen - everyone is impressed by this, and they should be. The screen is big, bright, and you can pull it closer and tilt it to watever angle you like. There is so much to love about the screen. While the screen isn't full HD1080 like the 18" model, it's well decent at 1680x1050, and I'd take this screen anyday.The 18" model is 16:9 ratio rather than 16:10 like most notebooks. On the plus side, you don't get black bands across the screen when watching 16:9 movies - but that's not really a biggie, and I'd prefer to have that extra screen real estate. Having full 1080p res is cool, especially considering the notebook incorporates a Blu-ray drive.
Sound
The sound on the big beast was both wonderful, and terrible at the same time. The laptop features 4 speakers plus a sub - which means 4.1 sound. While this is cool, every review I read failed to note that 4.1 sound is not the same as 5.1 sound. When you use the default DVD software to watch a 5.1 movie, you lose the center audio channel - the one that contains all the speech from the movie.I worked around this by loading VLC media player onto the machine, and adjusting the settings to do plain-ol' stereo sound instead. How nobody noticed this at design time, production time, or review time is beyond me.
On the plus side, the notebook has 5.1 output jacks - meaning I can plug in my lovely 5.1 Logitech speakers, and the sound is a treat. Something I have been dreadfully missing since I traded my desktop for a notebook a few years back.
Notably missing from the 18" model is the 5.1 analogue outputs - meaning my fancy Logitechs are idly stuck on 2.1 output. The notebook itself has 2.1 speakers, but to be honest, this is no less useful than the 4.1 on the 20" HDX. It's not that this is bad, jsut that I was a bit spoiled having the full 5.1 output on the old notebook.
Keyboard, touchpad
We all love a full-sized keyboard, and you would expect one on any notebook 17" or larger. The 20" keyboard was good, but marred by a half-sized right hand shift key - the key was made smaller to accommodate the arrow keys. As a programmer, I use the shift key more often than the space bar, and found myself constantly hitting the up arrow and messing up my code. Forgiveable on a compact notebook, not on this one. There was also something hot underneath where your left hand rests - I found this a little annoying as well.The 18" HDX doesn't have either of these issues. Even better, the 18" doesn't have a remote control sitting on the left hand side taking up space and forcing your hand into a slightly uncomfortable position. The action is nice, though some other reviewers have commented that the silver keys can be a bit reflective in bright light. I really like this keyboard.
One-touch media keys
These are fucking annoying on both models, period. Other reviews with use words such as 'innovative' or 'creative' when describing these one-touch keys, and I thought that too until I actually tried using them.To start with, on the 20", model there was an unresolved bug with them - every time you hibernated Windows, the one-touch keys would cease to work. To resolve, you had to shut down, remove the AC power and battery, then restart. Which basically means these keys were responsible for not being able to hibernate. Tech support seemed to think this was a perfectly reasonable solution, and didn't release a fix in the 12 months I owned the notebook. Thankfully, this seems to be resolved on the 18" model.
The volume control exhibits even more annoying functionality on both models - if (heaven forbid) you want to adjust the volume in a full-screen game, pressing the one-touch volume control will alt-tab you back to the Windows desktop to show you the little on-screen volume popup, and you have to manually alt-tab back into your game. Again, how did someone not notice this?
Further to that, the volume controls don't work properly until Windows is fully loaded, so if you had your music loud last night you can't turn it down a bit while all your taskbar stuff loads and beeps at you.
I'll take a plain old hardware-based volume control anyday. Just like on my old no-frills HP notebook.
The touchpads are different on both models - however both have a button for disabling the touchpad, which is the best feature ever. I hate touchpads and will carry a mouse around with me, so having the touchpad disabled when you don't need it is very cool.
On the 20" model, the touchpad was made from the same stuff as the handrest - they melded together almost seamlessly. While this looked nice, I found there to be a little more resistance on the touchpad than I was used to, and would have preferred a normal touchpad.
On the 18", they have gone with a super smooth finish that incorporates design elements from the rest of the casing. Again, it's so smooth that if there is even a tiny bit of moisture on your finger, the resistance goes up. I'd prefer a normal touchpad over this as well, but then I use a mouse 95% of the time anyway so it's not a show-stopper for me.
Grunt
Both have the same CPU. The 20" arrived with 2Gb of RAM, but I upgraded to 4Gb pretty quickly because Vista was running like a tortoise. The 18" has 4Gb as standard, good to see.The 20" was using Vista Ultimate x64 whereas all new HP models are using 32 bit Vista - in this case Home Premium. I liked the 64 bit Windows - I had only one or 2 apps that wouldn't work for me so in my case, the problem people were complaining about wasn't really a problem.
The 18" has a better video card, and it is noticeable when gaming.
Plugs
Both models have lots of plugs. E-SATA, HDMI, Firewire, RJ-45, lots of USB, media card reader, jacks for 2x headphones, internal webcam and mic, TV tuner etc. Notably missing is a DVI output, but the HDMI plug will do this with a special adaptor. Both have a plug for a proper docking station, which I'd like to get at some stage.Portability
Hey, guess what - the 18" model is better here! I'm big and strong, but I have to admit moving the big 20" thing around was getting a bit much. You can't buy bags for them either, and the power pack was 1.5kg by itself.I think this is the reason why HP moved to more practical sizes - the 20" is basically a desktop without cables and I was actually finding myself moving it around more than I should have been.
I'm still having trouble finding a good bag for the 18" model, but at least I have options - I could go grab an average bag any time I liked, but I'm holding out for a good one (I like the ones where you drop the notebook in from the top rather than having to open the case right up).
Overall
All in all, I think I bought the 20" too early - HP just hadn't done enough testing to iron out the bugs, and it just didn't fulfill the promise of a top-end notebook. The 18" is more refined, and much more portable. Most of my original complaints are now gone, and in the 3 weeks I have had it, it's been nice and productive.I'm happy to recommend the 18" model, it's a good machine for the mix of web development and light gaming that I use it for. But I won't be buying a 'first of the series' notebook again.
10 Comments
jack - Dec 31, 2008
nice review, just wondered where you purchased your HDX18 from, im quite interested in getting one.
Sam Gupta - Jan 5, 2009
Great review - I have just ordered the HDX 18 and should be here soon - one quick question that you might have the answer for - I noticed that the HDX 18 does not have a S-Video output port - since my TV has a S-Video input and not HDMI, I was planning to connect my HDX 18 to my TV using S-Video. How can I accomplish this ? Basically I want to be able to watch movies (downloaded from the internet) on my TV. Any help in this regard will be much appreciated.
Dean Piccoli - Feb 19, 2009
I want to mind-meld with you across the globe and share your experience with the HDX18. I too am a new owner of this machine and the "fucking annoying" one-touch keys are driving me nuts. Apparently, I have some stray appendage problem that causes me to hit these keys as I type. Especially the wireless key, which of course kills my connection. Oh joy. If I don't find out how to disable these bastardly horrible keys I must resort to cutting off my fingertips.
Some other cons:
1. My machine is running the equally horrible Vista Home Premium in 64-Bit mode. I've experienced one major crash which resulted in a full factory recovery and the loss of all the time I spent transferring files. I'm interested if you have encountered any stability issues?
2. Internet Explorer 64-Bit fails to connect to the Internet and appears to be very unstable (funny, Vista defaults to the 32-Bit version - so why include it at all???)
3. I ordered this directly from HP so I could get the build configuration I wanted. I ticked the checkbox for dual 7200RPM 320GB SATA drives, yet transfer times between these internal drives seems agonizingly slow.
4. Fingerprints. This machine appears to be dipped in oil. From the mirror-like display right down to the touch pad. Why on Earth would anyone design a machine to look awful as soon as it is touched??? They should pack a bottle of Windex with it.
OK, now the pros...
Well, it's great, of course, or we wouldn't have purchased it, right? The 1080 screen is amazing (I got the built in HD tuner and pulled local HD TV right in.) The HP media center is not bad at all. I agree the keyboard is quite nice for a laptop, and it's much more portable that you would think.
Hi Dean, good feedback, thanks.
1. I haven't found any stability problems, until yesterday when it randomly wouldn't start. I tried system restore and that failed, so I gave up and reinstalled Windows. Kinda sucks. Aside from that, it's been fine.
2. Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Opera are all way better browsers than Internet Explorer. Honestly, don't waste another moment of your life on that slow, featureless, insecure bloated tub of shite.
3. I haven't noticed any performance issues transferring between drives. I have found the ESATA port quite handy for backing up etc as well.
4. Totally agree. Looking at my touchpad now (which I never use), you would think I have a major personal hygeine problem. My last HP notebook before the 2 HDXs was a matt grey finish, and dirt/fingerprints were just never an issue. Sometimes i wonder if people designing notebooks have ever owned one.
Dean Piccoli - Feb 20, 2009
Agree on MSIE, but I work on websites so I need to test in the real world where (inexplicably) MSIE still rules. It's just odd that MSIE64 behaves like a beta.
While we're at it - I could do without the cheesy graphics plastered all over this thing, along with the copious amount of faux-chrome. Again, I agree - give me matte finishes any day - INCLUDING THE FRIGGIN' DISPLAY. The beautiful images are constantly hampered by reflections of my ugly mug and all my surroundings.
I've installed a product called RollbackRX to deal with the unexpected stability concerns. I'm hopeful this is just part of the routine setup, and the stability issue will rectify itself, but Rollback seems to be a nice insurance plan that works OUTSIDE of the Windows environment.
For now I can't stop playing with the dopey but addictive webcam application. I swear I have the mind of a four year old.
Dean Piccoli - Feb 26, 2009
Harvey, help me. My poor HDX is one of four machines I work on and it's my least favorite exercise of the day to sit at it. Stability and file copy/delete speed have been huge issues for me. The hard drives NEVER shut down (yes, I turned off all indexing). In general - even with all this horsepower under the hood - EVERYTHING is slower than before with the exception of Photoshop filters. I don't think it's the hardware. I prefer to blame Vista64. I believe Windows XP SP2/3 is the greatest OS Microsoft ever produced. I would gladly give up the the extra RAM availability to drive this powerhouse CPU with WinXP. Do you think that is possible? I'm going to start researching drivers now.
My computer hates me and the feeling is mutual.
Dean Piccoli - Mar 30, 2009
It's been a month and I am finally at peace with my HDX. This has been a lesson in endurance and ... humility. I will never claim to be a uber-geek. Instead, I am an (aging) IT-professional, with a small dose of know-it-all-ness that is my undoing. My painful discovery process revealed what I usually have found to be the case 90% of the time in my 30+ year career ... computers screw up now and then - humans screw up a LOT.
I am humbled to report my own bullheadedness and impatience caused ALL of my issues. And I take back my rants at HP, Vista64, and any-one or -thing else that I targeted during my outrage, including my wife, my parrot, my office chair, sixteen pens, a few jewel cases, and a particularly favorite coffee mug.
I am calm now. The fourth factory reset on the HDX did the trick only because my indifference at that point led me to walking away from the machine for hours at a time. It actually took me two days to pay attention enough to hit the right keys at the proper time. The only comment I'll make is that the setup process on my HDX was very slow and the progress information provided during the install routine was a bit misleading to me. Instead of realizing this was my first encounter w/Vista and I was setting up a fairly sophisticated piece of hardware - I got the pig-headed idea that there HAD to be an error in the code, so of course, I "bumped" things along at install. Uh, make that three installs. Ah, I am human after all.
So letting this high-horsepower beast idle through its birthing process was the only thing I needed to do. I am thankful this hard lesson paid off. I have learned once again to appreciate the complexity of the toys we choose to play with, and I have been rewarded with a now seemingly bullet-proof machine that delivers world-class performance, stability and enjoyment. I have even embraced Vista64 to the point of forgetting about XP entirely. I think I'll even take my time upgrading to Windows 7.
So here's a more objective view of my past problems...
For the display glare issue I have turned to a little company called PhotoDon.com, which custom cut a self-stick, anti-glare film for me that works wonders on the high-gloss HDX display. No glare - no fingerprints. The best $40 I ever spent.
For the case-based fingerprints, I opted to throw away my tiny eyeglass cloth in favor of a microfiber mega towel. A couple swipes and this bugger shines like a showroom model.
The hard-disk speed issue I previously bitched about also corrected itself, so I ditched the RollBack RX product in favor of a traditional backup system using the extremely appreciated external SATA port. My marathon backups now take just a few hours making this my first "home" computer that I can actually conduct scheduled backups on.
So that's it. A long story with a happy ending. Thanks for listening.
PS: I still hate those fucking one-touch buttons.



















James McFall - Dec 10, 2008
So far, for me, it has seemed almost impossible to find a laptop I've been happy with. My Dell XPS M1210 I used to have was good, up until the point the computer died (one day after the warranty expired). This has basically happened to every laptop I've bought, despite me looking after them very well.
Despite my bad experiences with Dell, I'm tempted to say, an Inspiron is probably the only laptop I'd pay money for nowdays - until I can build my own.
I've had such bad luck with all things technical that I only have any faith in my own self-built desktops.